Personal Judgement and Paying It Forward
I find it odd when some people say we should donate everything to charity since it is "morally" the right thing to do. Does this mean that if we use the money for personal gain we become Immoral or less of a good person?
But the thing is, in ZFT we exercise free will. We don't force each other to do things we do not want. Which means, be it for personal gain, or for paying it forward, we use the funds according to what we believe is right, according to our personal judgement.
And I personally believe having the choice to give away something of value is far more rewarding and honorable than to be forced to give just because.
" ...for God loves a cheerful giver. "
So do not compare us to seminaristas and other trading schools or other mentors. We do what we do because we want to do what we do - NOT because we are PAID to do it or because we could make good business out of it. You don't see us selling stuff to our readers diba? Our trading gains are more than enough to sustain us.
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Investing and The People of ZFT
I understand that I am no businessman. My strength is in gaming and in trading. And with the way things are going with our current RAKs, I believe the ZFT fund isn't maximized. Yes we are able to help a lot of people with the funds we are getting. But what happens when we stop the Subasta and Seed mentoring? How many in ZFT would be willing to pledge support to charities and other groups needing help? How long can we keep this up?
There are so many things that we could do together with all the talent in the Tribe. But I hesitate to ask ZFTs to join me in this culture and cause. Because there is no such thing as free lunch. When we have tribe projects like the development of Technical Screeners, Project Seed, and other Tribe Events, it comes with a price. And I'd rather have people come forward and give out of the abundance of their hearts.
And in this light, I am looking for something sustainable. If you give to charity, you help a few to several people for a while. But if you partner with people in their businesses with the same principles as you (and in paying it forward), you not just help the businessman, you also continuously help the community that receives the RAK.
There are so many things that we could do together with all the talent in the Tribe. But I hesitate to ask ZFTs to join me in this culture and cause. Because there is no such thing as free lunch. When we have tribe projects like the development of Technical Screeners, Project Seed, and other Tribe Events, it comes with a price. And I'd rather have people come forward and give out of the abundance of their hearts.
And in this light, I am looking for something sustainable. If you give to charity, you help a few to several people for a while. But if you partner with people in their businesses with the same principles as you (and in paying it forward), you not just help the businessman, you also continuously help the community that receives the RAK.
Here's a sample of what's going through my mind.
(Thanks for Introducing the Mindly App Celeste)
I would like to re-iterate that I am no businessman. This is not my strength and alone, I cannot effectively achieve whatever it is that I would like to happen. So If you have a better Idea and would like to partner with us on this ordeal, you may contact our budget secretary Robert Sy.
If you think about it, I could just take the easy path and turn my back on this task and hoard all that money like an RPG gamer would. But I just can't. I love.. Because God loved me first and I would just like to share that love experience with others.
After reading this post honestly I was disappointed, because when I first read this blog I thought it was to help people from losing their hard earned money in the stock market. But now I think its purpose is to entice people with money to join the tribe.
ReplyDeleteCan you explain your statements? I'd like to understand your train of thought.
DeleteI don't get it why you give us hope when only a select few can afford it. Why do your students make blogs of their own when it only make other people jealous of your gains?
DeleteDo you not benefit from the FREE lessons you read? Or are you saying the lessons you read are useless and gives you no hope? are you not dissecting and learning from the trades that we openly show? or are you mainly focused on the gains?
DeleteEnlighten me.
I once dreamt of joining ZFT but now I guess I just have to figure out another way.
DeleteI love the way you answer me.
DeleteI'm grateful for everything I learned here sir, I can't thank you enough.
DeleteMaybe I'm not putting enough time to understand how your system works idk, but I feel like I'm solving a puzzle when figuring out what you mean in your posts. Sometimes I get it sometimes I don't. Sorry for this, I'm just expressing how I feel.
DeleteCurious lang ... what RPG games are you into right now? GW2? :D
ReplyDeleteThe last RPG I played was TorchLight 2. I'm finding it hard to spend time with the new RPGs, too busy with other stuf.. I miss gaming.
DeleteZee, you're a very good marketer but I feel like ZFT is starting to become a cult with blind followers. Although I've learned stuff from your blog (AOS & ZS), I've also learned and made money with SWAG, TAP, Trading Code, and Absolute Traders.
ReplyDeleteHowever, the Subasta thing, and the outrageous prices with the scarcity strategy just isn't my cup of tea. I've seen these things before, and I know where's it's headed.
For the rest of the people who's reading, bros... don't get pressured from ZFT's scarcity strategy. That's how people start losing money. There are plenty of books out there that does the same strategy as him, who are 1000 times cheaper. Chill lang kayo, there's more than 1 way to trade.
For the haters naman, guys, this is a business. The goal of the business is to make money. Hindi ni Zee aaminin yun pero he's a businessman. He has the right to charge how much he wants. His marketing and exclusive learning strategy is a way for him to charge higher prices than other people out there who only charge 3-6k pesos. If you guys think he's bullshit, stop wasting time with him. Take whatever you've learned, and trade it. Sayang lang oras if you still hang around wishing na nakapasok kayo sa ZFT.
Sorry sobrang daming typo and grammatical error, medyo inaantok na ako, and hindi ko na maedit, so sa mga grammar nazi dyan. Pakyu po.
DeleteI can see you deleted one of my posts. Oks lang men, I'd do the same. Birds of the same feather talaga tayo.
DeleteHindi sya pinansin ni ZeeFreaks :(
DeleteGive me time to reply. Trading. I only delete comments if you name drop ZFT identities. Even if you slander or what I don't care. It will be part of history.
DeleteWith the cult thing. I think it has become that in some extent. We all have our sets of principles and moral standards. If someone deviates from your standard of truth, it would be easy to label that someone as a cult. So being a Cult is something relative.
DeleteAll of us have the gift of free will and that includes the freedom to believe in something. Does an artist force people to see his art as something beautiful? No. An artist paints out of innermost being of himself.
Regarding the subasta, do we dictate the price? Are you implying all the subasta participants are forced on their decison?
You can call what I am doing here a business and I, a businessman. I would agree at a certain degree. I believe I am in the business of helping people. But I also believe everything comes with a price. Just like Freedom and Ignorance has a price. Can you help a person without sacrificing something of equivalent value? (e.g. Time, Resources) If our business was all about money, shouldn't we just put up a TA School and not waste the money giving it to charities? What do you think?
You have very good points here. And I like the way you think.
FOR ZEE
DeleteWhy thank you. I like the way you answer. First off, I never outed any ZFT members because I don't know any of them. I made a copy of my reply in Evernote.
I'm not surprised why you deleted the comment. The message was for you anyway. The public can't handle the juicy stuff the I've written. Thus, I'm thankful you deleted it. I just hope you read and agreed with what I told you ;).
Re: price. As I mentioned in the deleted comment. I agree the higher the price the more serious they become. I uses to go to COL's seminar. Napakadaming absent dahil free. Barely anyone follows their advice. Eto kasi logic ng mga bobo - FREE = TRASH. Try to offer your advice mo for free sa mga pinsan mo, they will never take you seriously. I've mentored people in business before for free, and out of 10, only 2 people made 200k pesos per month. Reason - eh kasi nga free.
Re: TA school. You shouldn't open one. It would drastically reduce your prices. Best thing to do is create a different identity and start a TA school. Something that could scratch your itch since you working from home all day, and everyone thinks you're just a bum. It would motivate you enough and feel glorified with the self validation of your own personal identity. Money isn't everything, totoo yan because I have 8 figures in my bank account pero I don't have that many friends. Being Rich but Sad isn't cool.
Re: business. It's your duty to make it a business. You built this thing for 4 years ,and you have followers. So don't be a wuss. If you want to sit in the big boys' table, you have to make it a business. But I would definitely understand if you want to play videogames and watch anime instead. Milennials kasi tayo and we're mostly satisfied having enough money. Ano nga naman gagawin mo kung may million dollars ka na? Ako nga eh, 1 million pesos lang di ko na maubos in 5-10years. Eh ang dami ko pang excess cash but I already own properties and businesses. Eh ano gagawin ko dun? Bobo lang talaga gumastos most people.
Re: charity. It's a complete waste of time. I worked inside charities before and if you only knew the corruption and politics going on inside, you would never donate again. So many people donate to charities. They have so much excess cash. What's left but to pocket them. Use the money to buy properties, that's how you secure yourself in the future.
- Rebel Dan
PS. I'm the same person who posted above.
Baka naman bigay lang tatay mo yang eight digit mo sa bangko? Or maybe your a tsinoy businessman who started things illegally at later on nagcrossroad na to legal mainstream side of things feeling all high and mighty? At saka whats with the flurry of advice? If your a trader at napalaki mo funds mo show us your proof. Pic or it didnt happen Rebel Dan hahaha
DeleteAng judgmental mo naman koya. Nagbigay lang naman ng insight yung tao, dinidiscriminate mo na agad na illegal tsinoy businessman and spoiled rich kid sya. Lam naman natin napakadali magpeke ng screenshots, di ka pa ba nadala sa mga fake screenshots ng mga network marketers.
DeleteZF Sidenote : I recovered your comment in my email. Will take time to read and reply. This is my fourth time to repost this comment of yours (Now as ZF). I wonder why it gets deleted? But here it is. Recovered Comment :
ReplyDeleteJust to add: ZFT, pucha galing mo talaga sa marketing. I don't know if you know, but your strategies came straight from the Cialidini 6. I wish I was you, I'd know how to milk the cow and make more money from selling coaching rather than trading. I really wish I was in your position, I'd make 1 million pesos per month. Sobrang perfect man (no joke) - the anonymity lets you avoid BIR, and keep your personal info in tact. If anything goes wrong, you can always make a new fictitious character.
The tribe thing is perfect para walang buyer's remorse. They feel like you all look out for each other.
No money back guarantee kasi mentoring.
If they lose money, you never guaranteed against loss in the first place.
Blogging, or journaling the journey = instant testimonials, which in turn, would receive more followers.
True din sinabi mo - every person I've given advice to in business an FREE, they never take it seriously, even if I make $1M per year in sales. Tangina, wala lang talaga naniniwala. Pero when there's a high price tag, they take it seriously (even if the coach isn't even qualified to teach).
You blog your journey every few days and post screenshots = this makes you different from other bloggers who just make noise, and make charts.
Replying to a few comments and ignoring the other comments = makes you look like a busy celebrity. And everyone loves celebrities.
Picking a fight with TAP = making other people choose sides between you and them. Especially since there are flaws in Roy Reyes, Tony Herbosa, and Jared Odulio's characters. Roy and Tony are hype everything, while Jared is an introvert with an asshole attitude. Ikaw naman yung mysterious one who doesn't conform to TAP. Kumbaga, yung mga nalugi sa TAP, lilipat sayo. Instant converts. It's good PR.
You're a legend. I'm just being honest here. I'm actually writing my analysis about you on my Evernote because I had no idea it can be done in the Stock Market, most especially in the Philippines.
FYI, I'm the same person who posted above.
I'm going to give myself a fictitious name in case I reply again in the future.
-Rebel Dan
PS. If I were you I'd add more rituals so you can get more followers, and find a way to lower the price a little, and give them multiple live workshops. They pay more for the more juicy information. Don't give everything away. Always leave room so you can make more money in the upgrades. Find someone who's very poor like a desperate tricycle driver, teach him stocks, and make him your main spokesperson. Tangina, sure win yun.
"Regarding the subasta, do we dictate the price? Are you implying all the subasta participants are forced on their decison?"
ReplyDeleteI love that logic. It's the same logic I use for my own customers. Parang sa ganito lang yan eh:
Casino - We never forced them to gamble, they went here on their own. Not our fault they lost all their money.
McDonald's - it's not our fault they are obese. We never forced them to eat our food
Robert Kiyosaki - it's not our fault they are not successful. We never promised anything. We only motivated them.
:)
- Rebel Dan
If I summarize things to where we greatly differ it would be in two words :
DeletePurpose and Perspective.
Since you've already figured things out about me and ZFT, why not try to make a better way of things? A better mentoring, a better business, a better way of charitable acts. You obviously have the resources and probably the time to do things... so show me what you got. Your words are good but what is its worth if it can't be quantified into action?
Booom panot!!! Battle of the hypers!!!
ReplyDeleteIf by any chance all subasta proceeds is left intact and in one huge amount, bakit hindi itrade at palakihin pa lets say somewhere north of 200-500 million pesos? Nobody knows what the future might require para makatulong or makamove further forward ang ZFT tribe i can assume hindi naman yan sumthing na basta hihinto nalang at mapuputol. I other words malayo pa ang destination so why not prepare a sizeable gas money for the entire trip? Everybody would love to see that im quite sure about it.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with this. Maybe not even zee can picture the tribe going ultimately full blast like making a trip to the moon, helping people and stuff and loaded with gas money worth quarter of a billion pesos? But people following here would love to see in a much more higher perspective so why not?
Deleteeverybody will love it yes... especially kim (bir) le.le.le.le.lels
Deleteyou tend to forget that whale funds can no longer move basuras. there's a limit to ZFT approach. go figure out na lang why hehehe
DeleteSus hindi pa man din ginagawa nenegative niyo na. Pinoy na pinoy talangkaan kaagad right off the bat. There is a limit to ZFT approach? Maybe theyve devised a way already to go past those limitation. You tend to forget that whale funds can no longer move like basuras? Sus all high and mighty feeling know it all pde naman nilang idivide and conquer yung goal with ZFT at the helm of command of what to do. KAPAG GUSTO MAY PARAAN KAPAG TAMAD AT AYAW PURO DAHILAN HAHAHAHA
DeleteI'll try to give you a good show. I'll test my limits.
Deletegame on na ba ?? lels :P
DeleteAll in ka sa NIKL.. i know wehehehe
classmate ;)
BOBO sa 6 ?
Deletei have a suggestion. remember Zandro and the gang?
ReplyDeletemagbuo kayo ng group then create a pump and dump cindykate hehehe
wag nyo kalimutan isama ako dyan hahahaha
In the words of Ender Wiggin : "The way we win matters..."
DeleteI remember the old Zeefreaks years back, when he was schooled by the old man who called him names and made him cry like a baby, asked him to close his blog because it's useless and likened it to a sweets shop for diabetics... Fun times! here's the link http://zeefreaks.blogspot.com/2012/05/bounce-plays-101.html
ReplyDeletebtw whatever happened to that old geezer?
I honestly don't get the subasta thingy. Why would people pay for Zee's mentorship if they can get it from his blog for free? Doesn't Zeefreaks teach it here free? Are people just lazy readers?
ReplyDeleteEnlighten me.
ZF's blog is just the tip of the iceberg to the whole ZF's trading system.
ReplyDeleteExactly! He himself will not open his special weapon to everyone. Go back to Ecosystem he mentioned. I find this blog like a riddle or puzzle whatever you call it but I love how he design this. It's an excercise for the next level.
Delete-halog3n
"I find it odd when some people say we should donate everything to charity since it is "morally" the right thing to do"
ReplyDeleteI am back reading your blog and I came across this.
Let those people who says this kind of things be the first one to give all their hard earned wealth first.
If they do, then Good Job! haha.
There is nothing wrong to help, but we have different ideas and versions of helping, some people does not like my idea of help :P
Shobeh