Wednesday, May 27, 2015

Bottom Fishing




"When is the right time to bottom fish? Is it safe? 
At what price should I buy??"

We've all asked these questions at one point.
And thought it was this easy


I tried experimenting on a LOT of setups.


 I went from this...
(Just watching the stock from afar and do nothing.)




To this...
(When It fails to go up and I end up Ipit.)




Or this...
(When I enter too early)



Or worse....




Bottom Fishing is very RISKY. 

The one main reason being that you are fighting against the trend.


Just ask those who bought ANI at PHP10, 7, 4 or lower because 
of "good fundamentals" or techs being oversold due to the low RSI.



"Respect the RSI my ASS."

So be careful when you come across fundamental gurus 
who talk about technicals. Or technical gurus who suddenly 
talk about fundamentals - Coz that's just funnymentals and 
other made-up crap.


On a sidenote, be careful about what I post and what I tweet.
Coz I'm a crazy trader. And a fictional one at that.


"So why bother Bottom fishing?"
You might ask.


I don't know about you. 
But I bottom fish for these reasons:

1 - Rewards.

Yes it's risky. But if you get it right and you bought with volume,
you might just get a ticket to "financial independence-land."


2 - Bragging Rights. 

I'm a very competitive person. And I love the feeling of
 putting haters and gurung ulols to shame. 


And the fun part of it all is...
Contrary to popular belief,
It ain't rocket science.




"But Zeeeee! How do you know if it's the bottom?"

Simple. I don't.

(Here's a simple flow chart)



You'll only get to see the bottom, once you see the 'ball' 
actually reach the bottom and starts "floating up."
And from there, you react and press the attack.


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Example




Tried to bottom fish but barat bids denied. 
Bought 1.23-1.25 for first tranche base then ended 
up buying all i could at the close (Sagasa Order).




Day 1 Of Bounce


Here's the crude selling plan.




Here comes Day two of the  bounce.
(Added 19k. OC ako eh.)





Then Just before selling.
(I love taking screenshots before I sell.)





Some would say, 
"Why would you sell?
You've got such a low AEP!"

Simple answer to that is....











While others cheer that they could at least break even.
I joined the minority in cheering to enjoy some profits.

Total of 3 Days hold. 
No hype. No rumors. No tips. No gurus.
Just the chart and you.

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CASE STUDY CLOSED!

Happy weekend everyone.




66 comments:

  1. exhibit A: FNI

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  2. tappp!@#!! po ako este guru po ako... hahaha

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  3. It's either this guy is getting good at trading or his adobe photoshop training is finally paying off, I tend to believe the latter! :)

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    1. It's true.. He is really good in trading not in Photoshop. 100% sure I an testify

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    2. dude, no need for photoshop, there's a better way to do that with just browser if you know web stuff, and you cant even spot a fake one so it's up to the readers. to each his own.

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    3. Nonsense, why a man with millions do such a thing like photoshop or any editing magic? to prove what? All I know He is a legendary in trading.. and he wants us to learn something from his blog... go!! buy someone to talk to..

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    4. hindi niya yan pino-photoshop, malaki lang talaga kita niya sa kunwaring charity works niya hahahaha

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    5. wag nga kayong magulo !! GLORIUS GURU YAN ! kelangan i GLORIFIED nyo sya !!

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    6. ang taong gustong gusto na pinupuri siya..living for applause and for bragging rights..pathetic hahaha

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    7. You could have cross checked the "Time and Sales" with an online broker so you wouldn't look ignorant. Naka time-stamp naman yung examples above. :3 But then again, I'm just a fictional character. Most probably those trades are fictional as well. lels.

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    8. What can we expect from Tappers. They're so close minded that they've been brainwashed by Kim Jong Un. Everything that their maestro or "Supreme Leader" says is gold to them. Kahit mabaho na ang hininga eh kasing bango parin ng ariel 7.50 sa kanila. What's even more pathetic is they celebrate their ipit ports with each other. Misery truly loves company. Its only fitting that they deserve to endure losses specially to the hardcore tappers. Buti nga sa inyo. Sige bomba pa! huehuehue!

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    9. "You could have cross checked the "Time and Sales" with an online broker so you wouldn't look ignorant. Naka time-stamp naman yung examples above. :3 But then again, I'm just a fictional character. Most probably those trades are fictional as well. lels." --- o ayan mga hangal , ano masasabi nyo pa dito? cross check na nga o. hahahah kung sbagay pano m nga nmn tatanggol sarili m , e tanga kausap m , tahimik nlng hahahahahaha

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  4. Idol galing! "No hype. No rumors. No tips. No gurus.Just the chart and you."

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  5. Kudos. Wished I have seen your blog 2 years ago. Simple and straight to the point. Easy to understand and transparent, may actual screenshot of ports.

    Zee, just want to ask if you have a separate account for long term or you play all you capital on short term trades?

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    1. Got 3 Separate Accounts. One for long term, one for quick trades like the one above, and one for speculative sleepers. I do this so I'll have the right mindset for every port. Long and short term trades don't mix in one port for me. :3

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    2. May araw ka rin sa kayabangan mo! Lakas mo mang ulol :))

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    3. Make sense, different account for different types of trade.

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    4. Thanks ZF, nice IDEA yan 3 ports, dati naisip ko lang 2, short and long term, pero ok yung sa sleepers :) Matanong ko lang ibaiba ba broker mo sa setup na yan? - imanonymousncantaffordofyourteaching

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  6. laki ng funds pano ang laki din ng kita sa pa-charity kuno hahaha

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    1. ibig sabihin sir itung funds nya ay galing sa pa-chairty at hindi sa trading gains?

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    2. Obvious naman..sinisiraan pa niya mga taga TAP para magmukha siyang HERO na takbuhan ng taong na-hype! Papamukha niyang maangas siya sa public para maraming magpaturo kasi mukhang magaling e haha tapos sisingilin niya ng malaking fees kaya kumikitang negosyo ang gunggong! HULI KA NA BOY! HALATA NA PINAGGAGAWA MONG PAGMAMANIPULATE SA PUBLIC! HAHAHA

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    3. bitter ocampo is on the house flip top mag ingay hahahaha

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    4. Ngayon mo lang ata nabasa ang blog ni Sir Zee. Alam ko dati may mga blogposts sya na nagpaparinig lang at ayaw niyang imention ang TAP about sa mga bad practices nito. Dati nag try pa sya na hindi sabihin pero nagkaroon na lang ng point na nasabi niya na....ang tungkol sa FNI at gurung ulols hahaha. May mga blind item pa dati si Boss Zee pero naging maingat din sya at first syempre. Kaya kung defenders kayo ng TAP, basahin nyo muna blog ni sir Zee at kilalanin nyo rin ng mabuti para malaman nyo kng saan nanggagaling ang kanyang insights.

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  7. eto nalng parating bukambibig mo "some can use it as an 'inspiration' to strive more." me mapapala ba kame dyan?? mag babash nalng kame araw araw para makapagbottom fish din kame kagaya ng ginawa mo

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    1. Ako may napapala ako.
      Na sa iyo lang iyan kung pano mo gagamitin yun mga shinashare ni sir Zeefreaks.

      To all those people posting hateful comments, maybe you should examine yourself.
      The problem in your trading must be coming from that toxic attitude.

      Just sayin'

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    2. "A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else." - John Burroughs

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  8. all HAIL KiNg Zeefreeks the King of Bragging rights (applause) ang galing galing nyo naman Kamahalan idol ko po talaga kayo isa po ata kayong santo sana ma glorified na rin ung port ko magkano po ba magpatutor sa inyo ?

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    1. mahal talent fee niyan wag ka! umaabot ng 6 digits kada tao pero puro indicators lang naman tinuturo, milyones kita ng KING OF BRAGGING RIGHTS na yan..lakas mang-ULOL! hahahah tapos kunwari may rak shit pa siyang sinasabi pero onti lang naman napupunta dun.. laki ng kita ng ungas na yan sa tutorial daw tapos dinadagdag lang sa port pang-akit sa mga tao na malaki gains niya e paano malaki ang funds, siraulo ba naman e hahahah turuan mo naman kami paano mang-SCAM master! galing mo po e! SALUDO KAMING LAHAT SAYO! HAHAHAHHAHA (O AYAN A PINUPURI KA NANAMIN KING OF BRAGGING RIGHTS SCAMMER)

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    2. Kahit malaki ang fund mo, kung hindi ka marunong mag-execute ng trade, wala ka ring malaking gains na makikita. Pakigamit din naman ang utak paminsan-minsan. Please lang.

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    3. I think you're expecting too much from them.

      Halata naman sa lack of punctuation marks and ALL CAPS na hindi ito mga intellectual na tao.

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    4. daming ampalaya sa bundok, pati dito dinala mo. hahaha

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  9. Idol!!!! Hanep bro!! Ka-elibs!!

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  10. Just read the comments. Daming bitter ocampo! Haha!

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    1. Mga papi, please remember, zee doesn't have to do this. He can trade surreptitiously and earn millions in the process. But he chose to tell his story.

      Don't you feel reenergized after reading Zee's sharings, with the takeaway that there is light at the end of the tunnel, especially during those times after you just took a series of losses?

      The problem with us is that we want to find a REAL trader who can mentor us, but after we find one, we expect them to teach us for free because we feel they owe us for being already so blessed by the markets. And we want to be traders..

      Bro, idol, please continue your sharings. May God return to you tenfold what you continue to share to us..

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  11. Hahaha.daming bitter. Yung iba dito nagbabash ay closedmindset pa rin from tap tulad ko dati. Try to learn nalang at matuto rin magpasalamat at nagshare siya sa inyo. Try to evaluate kung sino talaga ang mabuti at makakatulong sa trades niyo. I hope nga din na sana noon pa ako natuto sa blogs niya at di nako nagoyo sa tap backdoor sessions at recos. Try niyo nalang din magshare sa community kapag kumita kayo tulad ni mr. Zeefreaks at di puro negative.#perseus

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    1. hahaha tama ka dyan bro. I think kelangan nila i-evaluate kung ano ba talga ang nakakatulong sa kanila at ano ang hindi. If your guru is giving you recos and blindly folllow them, their guru's may be right but a guru who wouldn't tell you when to get in properly or when to get out of the trade is just plain stupid. Malalaman mo nalang nakalabas na sila sa trade ikaw andun pa din kasi di alam na time to get out na. As for Boss ZF, Yes sobrang mahal ng talent fee nya hehe pero atleast there is one thing for sure. You learn his System - his interpretation of the indicators. And this is something that you can use in any kind of trades you execute. Knowledge in stock trading is very valuable so don't just blindly follow. ..

      Im not a tribe member - di ko afford e.But I'm learning from someone who is a well respected trader - a fictional guy as well hahaha.

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  12. nakakatawa lang dati bashers lng mababasa ko, ngayon mga bitter ocampo na haha

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  13. ang galeng galeng talaga ni mr zee sana ganyan din ako kagaling surebol na surebol sa galeng yung taga BOH magaleng din sabi pero bakit di nila pinapakita yung port nila hmm kanino bako maniniwala hmmm

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  14. Hahaha, labasan mga basher at bitter ocampo. Di kayo kikita diyan move on move on din pag may time.

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  15. I agree with you Mr. Anonymous #perseus. If people feel that Zeefreaks is not helpful, then don't read nor follow. Same goes for other forums, if it is not helping, then don't read nor follow them.

    Bottom line, if you become successful after learning, then PLEASE do something good to the community with what you've learned and be an inspiration to others. To bashers, please stop the negativity. There are already too much of it in our society.

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  16. Dun sa isang anonymous hater, punta ka sa Barber's Tales na group, andun yung mga port ng mga taga BOH, nagpapakita din sila ng mga gains nila. Buti nga sila makikita mo na legit mag trade, may kinikita na may transparency pa.

    Well pede din diyan ka nalang sa mga grupo/gurus mo, wala na ngang mapakitang transparency, puro puladong port/losses pa pinapakita hehe. Bawas bawas sa bitterness, galingan mo nalang mag trade boy!

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  17. Silence speaks volume guys. Interpret Z's silence as his retort to all the "bashers" and "bitters" Efficiency dictates that one should not waste time on reacting to meaningless banter. At the end of the day his voice is in his port performance and it would scream at you till your ears bleed.

    To the bashers and bitters - keep them coming. Its amusing to see people wasting their time on negativity when they could spend it wisely by improving their trading system/skills. #popcornmode

    To Z - congrats on another well played out execution. You inspire alot of people (obviously not all :3). God speed sir.

    -Fenrir

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    1. di mo ba alam gustong gusto nya eto attention seeker yan eh

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  18. Galing mo talaga. idol! hahaha... I've decided to learn TA na din because of your posts :D. It might be not from you but I think as long as I learn a system that's right and allows me to avoid all the hype(unusual price actions, reco hypes, etc). Someday, I will be as good as you Idol! Someday.. :D

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  19. To Bashers and Madlang Ampalaya: Come on, at least say "Thank you" that ZF is sharing "how he does the trades" ung mga gurulol na pinupuri nyo puro Hype ang alam, pa Jesse Livermore pang mga quotes, sasabihin kahit downtrending ung stock upuan nyo lang hindi nyo alam binebentahan na pala kayo hahaha. Learn to distinguish genuine help from the fraudsters and you may just have a chance to breakeven.

    To ZF: Thank you for sharing.

    #ingrate #SAPUL #sureboldeadbol

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  20. Sir Zee my only reaction to this..respect is a notch higher now for you bro. Very simple strategy bumili sa ibaba nagbenta sa itaas. Sintido kumon ang ginamit at kumita ng walang inaagrabiyadong kapwa. Sa mga TAP fanatics jan hindi naman dahil libre ang maging tanga aaraw arawin niyo na at kay Tonyong Mangnanakaw, ang presidente at ceo ng TRES DIMONYITOS Property Development Scam, sama narin natin si Kitz Ortiz na umaaligid din dito, ISANG MALAKING BWAKANANGEENANYO SANA KARMAHIN KAYO AGAD AGAD SA PANDARAMBONG NIYO SA MGA TAO HAHAHAHAHA LOL. Ang tamang pagbili kapag mura at nakadiskwento hindi kapag mataas ang presyo. Kahit sa palengke niyo gawin yang ganyang diskarte, mga maliliit na nagnenegosyo at nagkakalakal ng paninda doon mamamangha sa todo todo niyong katangahan at pagdidsplay ng kahinaan ng ulo HAHAHAHAHA LOL

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  21. Kung nangalugi kayo sa mahinang kumitang puro dadang istorya nila Tony Herbosa, Kevin Khoe, at Roy Reyes sampu ng kanilang mga technical guru na sina Mark Anthony, Odielon Gamboa, Al Cal at Alex Timbol UTANG NA LOOB pera niyo yang pinageexperimentuhan nila.

    Sa mga nakangangang TAP followers na di alam ang gagawin, na nangabusog kamakailan lang sa sarili niyong laway kakalunok dala ng pagkalugi at pinanghihinaan na ng loob sa kakacheering squad jan sa grupo niyo, UTANG NA LOOB me iba pang mapagpipiliang di hamak na malayung malayo sa Maestro niyo at maaari kayong tulungang makapagsimula ng maayos ng hindi kayo GAGANTSUHIN....

    Eto mga lista hanapin niyo nalang nasaan sila:

    Betting on Harmonics/Barber's Tales c/o Jiego Mojica at Jojo Gaston
    Stock Market Pilipinas c/o Hernan Segovia
    Zee Tribe c/o Zee at Kidlat Santelmo
    The Trading Post c/o Jason Cam at William Bayona

    Lahat yan walang pagaalinlangang malalapitan niyo hanggat may respeto kayo sa paglapit niyo at may totoong pagnanais na humingi ng tulong. Sa TAP pag nagkaipitan na sasabihin nalang sa inyo ni Tony Herbosa "hindi naman namin kayo pinilit e" o hindi na kayo babalikan ni kausapin ni Roy Reyes matapos kayong pabilhin ng mali.

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  22. Sige BOMBA at BOBO pa..ano nagyare sa port nyo? SABOG DUGUAN at higit sa lahat kayo pa ang 'Tanga', hindi naman daw kayo pinilit eh..HAHAHA. Lakas maka hype, tapos kayo pa sisisihin kung bakit kayo nag paipit. #BOMBAPAMORE

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  23. kaya bang ipakita ni tony herbosa ang port nya like this one? natawa ako dun sa mga bitter. halatang mga TAP fanatics haha. fanaticism has no place in stock market. dyan mababaon ang port nyo. be objective with all the info you hear or read..

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  24. may point b to? halos puro anonymous? lol (sama nako). U rock sensei!

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  25. Am i the only one who feels that guru sold fni on that bounce and went all in sa tapet? Parang biglang napakarami ng tapet posts niya hahaha ang obvious naka all in eh. Hype pa more!

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    1. pwede syempre pagkakataon na

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    2. relationship status: its complicated na daw....lintek, tama ka nga binenta na lahat ng FNI ni gurungulol. Kawawa naman mga tupa

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  26. TAPET naman hinahype nya.. ilan kayang tupa ang masusunog this time haha

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  27. kaya binenta ko na tapet ko...basta hinype na ni tonio...pabagsak na yan....ex....dd,house,fni fed....gud luck sa mga holders pa ng tapet....control greed lng...gain c gain for me...

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  28. si Roy Reyes ba yung laging napopost ng mga sinto-sinto wordings?

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  29. idol ko yan si ZF, dami ko natutunan sa mga blog nya ... nakaka tsamba na rin ako minsan sa bottom fishing. sleeper at aots method nya... thank you bossing

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    1. I appreciate the concern. But remember rule no 1: Keep identities secret - even if they go against the tribe they once embraced.

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  31. Your an inspiration.. Malinaw, madali intindihin, walang mga codes na masakit ulo. Keep on going and dont make pansin those negas and their blah blah :P ;) ..What matter is your real intention of doing this. Keep inspiring and ang Galing mo. God bless.

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  32. Since keep identities secret, let me share my experience. I've been a member of TAP. I was impressed by the group and the individuals background Tony, Kevin, Roy etc. Let me first go to Roy. Even before there was TAP, I've been following and interacting with Roy. Was pretty impressed with his bomba bomba and playbooks. That is until I started putting money into his stock recos. From Bloom, BHI etc. palpalk lahat, walang kumita. Mas mabuti pa yung mga hinulaan ko na stocks at kumita.

    As per being a member of TAP (still am) I have lost a far greater amount of money by following their recos. From Tony's FNI (forever) to TAPET and Kevin's UNI. From ipit to lugi. As per my experience, I have done a far more better job of profitably stock picking than these gurus. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming them. It was entirely my fault. Ika nga sa Ingles "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

    Now as to its popularity which is for some comparable to a cult (almost) this has probably something to do with Filipinos penchant or giving credibility to nice packages or form. A rather form over substance which TAP is. They are well presented and put together. From their background, professions and their connections. Sino ba naman ang hindi ma iimpress.

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  33. Nice "suka" trade!

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